Major changes to the Personal Documents Service
“Honey, why is your shopping list on my Kindle?”
There has been a major change in how “Personal Documents” are handled by the Kindle service.
While I can see how this has tremendous applications for businesses and for the classroom, it also has the potential to be embarrassing…really, really embarrassing….in family situations.
This has actually been a long and complicated journey to get to my current state of understanding. It has included: contradictory information from Amazon; a lengthy, impassioned Amazon Kindle community thread; multiple contacts with Kindle Customer service; and my own experiences.
Before I go any farther, I want to give a big shout-out to Dianne Gorman of the
blog.
Dianne was involved in the Amazon Kindle community thread, and took the time to experiment and more importantly, document and publish the process. The latter is particularly helpful, and something many programmers and investigators don’t do.
Here’s
Dianne Gorman’s Changes to Kindle Personal Document Settings blog post
I recommend you look at it, and explore more of the blog.
I wouldn’t have gotten as far as I have without it…thanks, Dianne!
The Old Situation
One of the great things for me with my Kindle has been the ability to send personal documents to it. For example, I’ve found it really helpful to take a pdf I’ve been given from work, have Amazon convert it for me for free, send it to my Kindle…and use text-to-speech with it in the car.
That’s been one of the best ways for me to review something I haven’t done in a while. I wouldn’t learn something first that way, but it’s good as a second modality.
I also go a lot of different places at work…I’ve driven a thousand miles in a week, getting home to sleep every night. I have to say, I had mixed feelings when my gas station told me that I was their best customer.
I’m not driving as much as that now, but I was often in places I didn’t know seeing people I hadn’t met. The easiest thing for me was to send a text document to my Kindle with that day’s information. That way, I could review the office number of my appointment while standing in an unfamiliar hallway.
I’ve also used it for travel information (confirmation numbers for flight, car, and hotel).
Importantly, I’ve used it to send non-Amazon books to my Kindle. That might be a public domain book from somewhere like Gutenberg.org or Feedbooks.com, or a book which has been sent to me for review by the author/publisher.
All of this got so much easier when the Kindle 3s (now called “Kindle Keyboards”) were released in August of 2010! Those models brought wi-fi…and with it, free wireless delivery of personal documents to our Kindles.
That improvement made things much easier for me. My work laptop has a security feature on it that makes me enter a password for any storage media I attach to it…and that includes the Kindle. I haven’t ever done that, because I’m not quite sure how that would work with entering the password again later for a Kindle. It’s a good policy for work: we could have people’s personal information that should be protected if a laptop is stolen with, let’s say, an SD card in it. It just made putting those work documents on my Kindle much more awkward. The free wireless delivery was the solution.
Amazon clearly considers the personal document element an important part of its strategy going forward. The Kindle Fire has “Docs” on its primary menu bar, Jeff Bezos made a point about them in the recent kick-off press event, and the Fire has a new to Kindle PDF reader that should be PC level.
The way it worked before the recent radical change is that each device had its own e-mail address…in fact, it had two. You could e-mail a personal document to your Kindle’s e-mail address as an attachment. It would then appear in your Kindle’s homescreen, just like an e-book.
With a wi-fi only device, it was very easy. Just send that e-mail from an authorized address, and there was no charge for it. That’s because we (or a business where we are, like a restaurant) pay for wi-fi.
With a 3G device, you got charged (fifteen cents a meg rounded up for a US customer in the US) if it was delivered by 3G.
If you had a dual-delivery (wi-fi and 3G) device, it was free if it was delivered by wi-fi, charged if it was delivered by 3G. What I would normally do is send it to my dual-delivery device when I knew it was connected to wi-fi (at home, for example). Kindles “prefer” to use wi-fi when both are available…that’s better for Amazon (they pay for our 3G use), and for the customer (typically, wi-fi is faster than 3G, but that’s not absolute).
You also had a second e-mail address. Instead of something like Joe@kindle.com, you added “free” after the @ sign…Joe@free.kindle.com.
If you had a dual-delivery device (I’ve just started calling them that, by the way…I considered “hybrid”, but this explains it better), that would guarantee it was delivered by wi-fi.
If you a 3G only device (like the Kindle DX or the Kindle 2 or Kindle 1), you got the document sent to you in your regular e-mail (not your Kindle’s e-mail), and you used your included USB cable to put it into your Kindle’s Documents folder yourself.
Here’s the key point about what is different: you picked a specific Kindle, and sent the document to that one only. You could actually send it to more than one Kindle at a time…up to fifty Kindles in one e-mail. Once you sent it, though, there wasn’t a way to retrieve it from your archives.
Also, our personal documents weren’t backed up for us by Amazon, couldn’t use Whispersync (start reading on one device, continue from the same point on another), and didn’t back up our notes, highlights, and bookmarks.
I thought it was quite useful, but had some limitations.
The New Situation
Starting September 28, 2011, Amazon’s strategy changed massively.
For Kindles you had registered on your account before that date, this gets trickier (I’ll deal with that below), but let’s pretend for moment that you are registering your first Kindles September 28th or later.
Your Kindle account will have one “send to” e-mail address. By default, when you send a personal document to that account, it will go to all of the Kindle’s on your account.
So, if I send my information for that day’s work, by default everybody’s Kindle on my account would get it….and there are three other people on my account who don’t want it.
That’s a really big change.
Now, I can go to my Manage My Kindle change and turn off auto-deliver for whatever Kindles I want. Whew, right?
Sort of…
Let’s say I turn it off for my Significant Other’s Kindle.
That doesn’t just turn it off for ones I want to send to my Kindle…it turns off for ones’ that my SO wants to send to my SO’s Kindle!
To send something wirelessly to my SO’s Kindle, we would first have to go back into
http://www.amazon.com/manageyourkindle
and turn that back on first.
That makes it harder for me to send a photograph to my SO’s Kindle as a surprise…that was fun.
I could still do it, but I’d have to go to MYK first.
Again, the new strategy is to send all personal documents to all Kindles on that account. You can opt a Kindle out of getting any personal documents.
I’m really not sure why they’ve done this.
In one of the various communications I saw, I believe they said that a lot had asked for it.
I see two main possibilities there:
1. They misunderstood people who wanted to ability to send Kindle store books to all of their devices at the same time. I’ve seen that request. If the new Stephen King comes out, it’s possible that everybody on the account wants to read it as soon as it does. Yes, each person could get it pretty easily from the Archived Items on the account, but if it was preorder, having everybody get it (without being reminded) would be cool.
2. The request is coming from businesses or teachers. In a case like that, you might want to send the newsletter to a twenty-five Kindles on the account all at once.
You’ve always been able to send a personal document to multiple Kindles just by putting more than one e-mail address when you sent it…but I don’t think most people knew that.
I just don’t see it being the typically desired result in a family. Sometimes, I could see it…if you are traveling together, for example, and all want that travel information. Most of the time, though, I think personal documents are…well…personal.
Now, before I go through how this works exactly, let’s talk about what happens with Kindles on your account before September 28th, 2011.
There are two possible situations.
If you had one Kindle registered to your account before September 28th, that Kindle’s e-mail address becomes the “send to” address.
If you had one Kindle that was RobertNeville@kindle.com (fifteen trivia points* for that one), all of your future Kindles will have that same address.
On the other hand, let’s say you had two Kindles: DickGrayson@kindle.com and BruceWayne@kindle.com (five trivia points for knowing both). If you don’t do anything, they will each continue to have separate e-mail addresses…and won’t be part of the “send to” program. When you register a new Kindle, that one will establish the “send to” address. It won’t affect the old ones at all…they get grandparented into keeping their old addresses.
New Kindles will all have the same address.
With me so far?
Do nothing, and this does not affect your Kindles registered before September 28th…unless…
Here’s the next part.
If you deregister one of the old Kindles, and then reregister it…it will lose its old e-mail address and will use the new “send to” address.
That’s where I think this could really surprise somebody.
People do register and deregister their Kindles at times. One reason people do it is their Kindle has forgotten their Collections for some reason…Amazon may tell you in that case to deregister it and reregister it to recover them.
People deregister and reregister their Kindles if they are lost and then recovered.
Parents and other legal guardians may keep their kids’ Kindles deregistered so that the kids can’t buy books. They reregister them to download the books they want the kids to have, then deregister them again.
Let’s look at that one for a minute.
Ward and June are the parents of Wally and Theodore. (7 trivia points). Ward and June don’t let Theodore buy books on the account (he got a pet alligator once…long story). So, they register Theodore’s Kindle, download books, then deregister it again.
Well, that happens after September 28th…and Theodore’s Kindle now becomes one of the ones that get all personal documents.
Ward and June also got new Kindles for each other (awww!). June sends their shopping list for Theodore’s birthday to her Kindle (she thinks)…and it shows up on Theodore’s and Ward’s! Theodore knows what he is getting.
Worse, Ward sends a copy of H. Rider Haggard’s She he gets at Project Gutenberg to his Kindle. That’s not really appropriate for Theodore (but it shows up on his Kindle)…and June doesn’t approve of that sort of literature, but it shows up on hers, too….so she is going to figure out Ward got it.
Not a good scenario, huh? That would be a tough one to solve in thirty minutes.
People also register their Kindles to someone else’s account, download a book, deregister, and reregister it back to their account. The local copy stays on their Kindle. I’ve never gotten an answer from Amazon as whether that is really okay or not…but many people do it.
Okay, let’s get to the…
How to
First, this is all covered in this
Amazon Personal Documents help page
If you go to
http://www.amazon.com/manageyourkindle
before you have registered or registered any Kindles since September 28th, and click
Personal Document Settings
you’ll see an e-mail address for each Kindle on the account. I’d show you a screenshot, but I would want to black out too much. Dianne (see above) has one.
You may also see a column about Auto-Deliver not being set up, and a link for “Why not?” Clicking on it shows you this:
“Send-to-Kindle e-mail address is not set up for this Kindle device. To set up, first deregister this Kindle device from Manage Your Devices Page, and then re-register it. Learn more about Associating Kindles to your Send-to-Kindle E-mail address.
You can then use your single Send-to-Kindle e-mail address to send your personal document(s) to your Kindle device(s).”
You’ll also see a choice for Personal Document Archiving. You can choose to edit that.
That’s another important piece of this.
You can store up to 5GB of personal documents in Amazon’s Cloud Storage…for free. That’s an additional 5GB over what you have in your regular cloud drive, from what I can tell.
That’s a lot! It’s more than the storage on a Kindle DX.
Here’s an interesting thing.
I turned that on.
I sent a personal document to my Kindle Keyboard (formerly called a Kindle 3…calling it a KK seems weird, though).
Great! It showed up as usual.
I checked my MYK page. It showed up there in the top section (Your Kindlev Library). So far, so good. I went to send it to my SO’s Kindle. My SO’s Kindle Keyboard wasn’t available as a choice (this is before I’d gotten this all straightened out in my head).
My K3 also wasn’t available. I thought that was odd…I thought it might be because it knew the document was already on my Kindle.
In fact, the only Kindle available to which to send it (although all our Kindles showed) was my pre-ordered Kindle Touch, Wi-Fi only. That one doesn’t even show an e-mail address yet.
It does tell me it is registered, by the way.
With what I know now, this all makes sense. I do think it is interesting that my Kindle Fire doesn’t show yet. This Personal Document Service doesn’t work with Kindle Apps…just Kindles. The Kindle Fire does not show up on the Personal Documents Service help page at all, but all of the other models do…even the Kindle 1.
This suggests that the Kindle Fire may be treated more like the Kindle for Android app.
Of course, it might just be that they haven’t put the Fire there yet.
Hmm…I hope that’s the case…I wouldn’t want people to be unable to subscribe to this blog through the Kindle store for the Kindle Fire!
I was going to deregister and reregister my current Kindle to get this process started…but then I realized I could do an older one that is sort of a backup and of sentimental value at this point.
The first thing I did was copy and paste the Kindle’s serial number (it’s on that Manage Your Devices part of the MYK page) into a text document…that way I’d be able to reregister it easily.
It warned me not to do it unless someone else was going to take ownership to it…which is in contradiction to the Personal Documents Service help page.
I did it.
When the page refreshed, that Kindle was gone.
Scrolling up to the top, I clicked
Register a Kindle
I pasted in the old serial number, and it was back. Interestingly, it got i’s old name and e-mail back.
If I hadn’t preserved the serial number first, I could have found it on the device in
Home-Menu-Settings, Device Info
Interestingly, it got i’s old name back.
Now, when I clicked on
Personal Document Settings
on that MYK page, I had a
Send-To-Kindle E-mail Address
which I could edit, but which started out as the same as the e-mail address for the Kindle I deregistered and reregistered.
That Kindle also shows that Auto Deliver is now enabled…and there’s an Edit button so I can turn it off.
Again, the default is that the device will be on the “send all” list.
At that point, I figured that it would appear on the choices of devices to which I could send those archived Personal Documents in my Kindle Library.
Nope!
You see, that device was a Kindle 2…and the Personal Documents Service help page says:
“You can download archived personal documents from your Kindle library on Kindle Keyboard, Kindle and Kindle Touch.”
The Kindle they are referencing there is what I call the Mindle, the $79 (at time of writing) Kindle.
What do they have that the Kindle 2 doesn’t have?
Wi-fi.
I’m not sure if personal documents in your archives can only be downloaded via wi-fi or not, but only a device with wi-fi can be part of the service.
Here is another change.
On the MYK page, under Personal Document Settings, you can now choose whether or not 3G can be used to deliver personal documents (I think this applies to all the 3G Kindles on your account).
The default is supposed to be that it is turned off, but mine was turned on. I assume that’s because I have previously set a maximum value (which many of you have probably done). You can go there, click the Edit link, and turn it off, if you want.
I’m not going to do that.
I want the option for something to be delivered by 3G. I’m going to normally have all of my devices have auto deliver turned off…except for the one I’m using currently. That way, I’ll know if I’m on wi-fi or 3G.
Got all that?
Okay, summing up:
- There are two different things: autodeliver and personal archive service
- Autodeliver has no impact on you unless you have registered or reregistered a Kindle September 28th, 2011 or later
- All Kindles registered or reregistered on your account starting September 28th will have the same e-mail address: all of them will receive any document you send unless you change the default (see the next point)
- You can opt a Kindle out of getting personal documents at the Manage Your Kindle page
- Personal Document Archiving can be turned on now
- Only Kindles with wi-fi can download archived Personal Documents
I have not been able to test yet how it backs up notes made on an archived personal document, and how it keeps track for Whispersync. Hypothetically, a personal document in the archives should work somewhat like a Kindle store book in those areas.
This, by the way, opens up huge possibilities. You can send a personal document to fifteen “send to” documents in the same e-mail…and there’s no limit to the number of devices that might be in the “send to” on each one of those accounts. You could hypothetically use this to distribute a document to thousands of people via wi-fi.
I can certainly see this working for organizations, be they businesses, classes, or political campaigns.
Remember that a personal document can only be sent from an approved e-mail address…you can not be spammed by somebody unless you have previously approved their e-mail address.
I’m also guessing that they are going to get this to work on the apps…and on the Fire, however Kindle reading is implemented on it.
This means that you could get a book from Project Gutenberg, start reading it on one device, and continue it on another device. When they have the apps up and running (and I’m only guessing about that), it will be like a Kindle store book. If they are preserving your personal document notes at
the way they do with your Kindle store book annotations, that will be even more valuable.
What do you think about this? Should Amazon have sent a note to Kindles to warn people about the change? Should they have sent an e-mail? Will you miss individual e-mail accounts for your Kindles (did that make them seem more human?)? Do you see an enterprise use for this for yourself? Do you have other questions or comments? Feel free to let me know.
* Trivia points are just something I do for fun. It’s just for bragging rights and geek cred.
All trivia points are null and void if you look them up…you have to just know it offhand.
This post by Bufo Calvin first appeared in the I Love My Kindle blog.
October 5, 2011 at 6:01 am |
Thanks for the mention, Bufo. Glad you found my post useful.
“You can opt a Kindle out of getting personal documents at the Manage Your Kindle page”
Unfortunately, if you do opt out for a particular Kindle, but you later deregister/re-register that Kindle, it will once again start receiving documents. So you have to go back to MYK and once again untick it to opt out again.
Even more unfortunately, you may not even know that a particular Kindle on your account has been deregistered/re-registered. So, if you’re sending anything sensitive, you will have to check the settings on MYK *every* time you send something.
This may change (I last tested it about a day ago). If it can remember your Kindle’s name then it should also remember the ‘Auto deliver’ setting.
Wouldn’t it be nice if you could *choose* which documents to archive by, say, including the word ‘Archive’ in the subject line of the email when you send a document?
October 5, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
Thanks for writing, Dianne!
That thanks goes both for the comment and for the blog.
I’m not so concerned about whether something gets archived or not (until they start showing up in Archived Items on devices, anyway…is that happening for you?). I would like to know if my Kindle is in the “send to” group, though. That could appear in the
Home-Menu-Settings
on the device.
It would also be nice if we could specify it when we sent it, but I don’t see a way to do that since they all have the same “send to” e-mail address (in the future in the new workflow). It would be wonderful if we could “explode” the “send to” address when sending an e-mail to see who was going to get it…but I doubt that’s going to happen.
October 5, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Hi Bufo. At http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150585&page=12 user Zeebra reports sending a document to their Mindle, deleting it from the device, having it display in the device’s archives, and re-downloading it.
This is in a thread about the Ver 3.3 update for the KK. As you quoted, the documentation says that you can download archived personal documents to the KK, as well as the new Kindles. My guess is that one reason for a Ver 3.3 (assuming it really does exist!) is to enable this to happen.
I am still hoping this is a work in progress at Amazon. The way the Personal Documents Settings screen is set up, it would be possible to have a ‘global’ address under ‘Send-To-Kindle E-mail Address’, and then the option to have individual addresses for each device in ‘Email Settings’.
In this ideal world, documents sent to the global address would be archived if archiving is turned on, and would be sent to the selected devices.
Documents sent to an individual device’s email address would go only to that device and would not be archived.
And, when deregistering/re-registering, each device would remember whether it has Auto Deliver enabled!
October 6, 2011 at 4:05 am
Thanks for writing, Diane!
I’m getting tempted to buy a Mindle, just to test some of this out.
Well, that, and to understand that particular device better.
I think in an ideal world, every personal document I sent would be archived, and I’d be able to send items directly to the archives. However, i also want each device to have its own archives (in an ideal world, remember), in addition to a group archives.
October 5, 2011 at 6:34 am |
Well, this explains why my Instapaper document didn’t get updated via email today. I have my Instapaper account set up to email articles to my free.kindle.com address whenever I add new articles, and that didn’t happen. Now I know it’s because the free.kindle.com address went away!
Yes, Amazon should have let me know, and No, I don’t like this new way of handling documents! We have 3 people and multiple Kindles in our family, with more coming. We have 2 Amazon.com accounts (which are linked so that they share one Prime membership) and 2 cloud accounts. It’s already unfortunate that we can’t have separate but linked accounts for our books (i.e. that my husband can’t use his account to buy books that he can then share with me), but now we have to share everything!?!
I don’t want my husband’s personal documents cluttering up my Kindle, and he doesn’t want mine. Let us link accounts together, like Prime does, rather than forcing us into a model of all in one account and all the same.
October 5, 2011 at 8:59 am |
Amazon needs Kindle Kibitzers Kouncil, a face-to-face focus group that would (among other things) help ensure that these wrinkles get ironed out beforehand.
October 5, 2011 at 1:00 pm |
Bufo, thank you for a really extensive report. We have two KKs
(my wife and my daughter) and I plan to get Mindle (I love this name) for myself. All are registered to my account. I like the possibility to have separate emails for them (I don’t use USB for transferring at all, just wi-fi). Now with this new “enhancements” it will be a mess. I don’t want all documents to go to all devices, I want to choose. I have to digest your findings to decide how to use it. Thank you again.
P.S. Not to mention I would love to have personal documents delivered to my iPad Kindle….
October 5, 2011 at 1:26 pm |
I see both pros and cons in this change. I would prefer to be able to make my own decision as to whether to use a single address for all my Kindles or to use separate addresses unique to each device. If I could only opt for one I’d leave it the way it was pre-change. I send quite a few personal documents to MY Kindle that the others on my account would have no interest in and some I’d rather they not have access to at all. I send docs such as the instruction book to my GPS and other manuals so I have access to them when travelling in the RV; no one else needs or wants these. I also have some docs with info needed to deal with losing my passport that contains info that I prefer to share only with my wife. Same with photos, scans of birth certificate, insurance cards, and prescription numbers and a copy of the info needed to replace eye glasses should I break them when out of state or country.
I think I understand part of the rationale leading to the decision; notes and annotations in the stored documents are account-based just as they are for purchased books. The entire Amazon account is tied to a single email address; regular purchases, streaming video, Cloud storage, and all of the Kindles are connected to that single piece of data, the primary email address. As Amazon continues to add more integrated services to our “experience” I imagine multiple “sub-accounts” become unwieldy to maintain going forward. I’m speculating on the “why” of the business decisions, but it makes logical sense to me as I look at the picture from a “how do we maintain the database effectively” standpoint. One possible solution would be to allow us to manage the individual device setting for what email addresses are allowed to send personal documents to the device rather than having that remain a global setting in MYK. To further complicate things I wonder if Beaver could order a baby alligator from Amazon.
October 5, 2011 at 6:00 pm |
I love reading your blog, but the reference to She just put me head over heels
October 5, 2011 at 6:11 pm |
Thanks for writing, Aimee!
I wanted to pick something that would be considered a bit…dangerous for the time. It’s the kind of thing that a “manly man” might have read in the 1950s, but that might not be discussed in mixed company.
If you like Haggard, have you read Talbot Mundy? You can get them free. You might want to start with:
King of the Khyber Rifles
October 8, 2011 at 1:20 am
I haven’t read that – thanks! I’m going to visit the in-laws and I’ll need a good book
October 5, 2011 at 6:17 pm |
Thanks for the great summary.
I have to hope that the ‘Deliver to…’ options for Personal Documents will one day soon be enabled. Currently only my pre-ordered KTouch is enabled. My other Kindles, and Kindle app instances are grayed out. There should also be a ‘download’ option in case you need to side-load it to a Kindle which has no wireless connectivity.
I did like the suggestion that there could be Subject keywords to modify the default behavior. Using keywords like ‘noarchive’ or ‘sendto:TomKindle4′ or ‘no3g’, you could get it to behave.
I’m not planning to re-register my Kindles at any time soon.
I’m wondering how this all looks on a Kindle. Will Personal Documents show up in Archived Items, in a new category such as Archived Personal Documents, or not at all? When I want to delete a PD, will it still say ‘delete’ or does it say ‘remove from device’? Have you looked at K4 to see what it is doing?
October 5, 2011 at 7:13 pm |
It’s not clear to me that Amazon has actually settled on what they are going to do here. Over at the kindleboards forum, this thread:
http://www.kindleboards.com/index.php?topic=86782.0
seems to indicate that the behavior was changed again over the weekend.
If I go to my manage my kindle page, there are two relevant sections:
Manage Your devices, and Personal Document Settings. In the former section I see my devices, an email address, and a device type field — it has an “actions” capability which lets me deregister the device — there is no way to change the email address on this page. Interestingly, my forthcoming KFire appears on this page with an Amazon-generated device name, a device type of “Kindle Fire”, and an email address of “not available”.
On the personal documents settings page there is an email settings section with an entry for each device on the account (my KFire does not yet appear here). Here I have fields for device name, email address, and whether autodeliver is enabled. I can edit on this page to change the autodeliver status AND the email address. According to the above referenced thread since the weekend, you CAN give each device a separate email address. This email address can be the same as the address for another of your devices or different. So I could send a class of personal documents to one email address used by say 2 devices, and a different set of documents sent to another email address used by say only one device.
If this behavior is in fact correct, it would appear to offer the best of both worlds: send to individual devices if you wish, or to multiples merely by assigning different email addresses.
October 5, 2011 at 10:17 pm |
Unfortunately, Edward, once you deregister/re-register a device that currently has its own email address, it will have ‘Auto Deliver’ set up and will have the ‘global’ email address. You will lose the ability to give it an individual email address.
But perhaps the scenario you describe will eventually happen (I hope).
October 6, 2011 at 4:41 am
I can’t test the register/deregister scenario, but my reference to the kindleboards thread above seemed to indicate to me two things: Amazon changed the behavior over the weekend, and that multiple email addresses were now supported for all devices both old and new.
Clearly this isn’t going to be definitively answered until we have a population of KTs and KFs in the wild (only because I suspect that their kindle management site’s behaviors are going to change as they tweak the new devices — and the support infrastructure — in advance of delivery)
October 6, 2011 at 9:35 pm
The behaviour hasn’t changed for me, Edward. I’ve just been through it all again, actually trying to give each Kindle a separate address. Once an ‘old’ Kindle has been set up by doing the de/re-register dance, it has the ‘global’ email address.
Each Kindle has a separate ‘edit’ option, so it *looks* as though you can edit each address separately. However, they bring up the same screen to edit the global address – if you change one Kindle that has Auto Deliver set up, it changes them all (even if Auto Deliver is not enabled).
Only the old DX on my account, which has not (yet) been de/re-registered (and therefore is not (yet) set up for Auto Deliver), has its own address. It has an ‘edit’ option next to the email address itself, rather than in the ‘Auto deliver’ column.
Nothing has changed since I took the screen shots in my blog post.
October 6, 2011 at 12:06 am |
So, I see where I can remove a personal document from the archives, but, like just about everything, it’s a one-by-one process…
What happens when I (eventually) run out of space? I certainly don’t expect it to happen soon, but it will eventually happen.
October 6, 2011 at 4:17 am |
Thanks for writing, tuxgirl!
I’m the kind of person who tends to clean up after myself…at least electronically. I’ll delete documents from the archives as I go along and as they staledate (and store them somewhere else, if I want to keep them). 5gb of document space is a lot…I think you’ll be able to find things to get off there over time.
October 6, 2011 at 4:32 am |
Richard Matheson ‘I am Legend’ for the 15 bonus points.
Really? NO ONE?? Missing out folks!
October 6, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
Thanks for writing, MightyH!
Yes! You claim the fifteen points! People who haven’t read Matheson are missing out…there is a new short story collection, not surprising tied into the movie Real Steel (based on a Matheson short story which was previously a Twilight Zone episode with Lee Marvin:
Steel: And Other Stories
http://measuredcircle.wordpress.com/2011/10/01/have-we-seen-real-steel-before-in-the-twilight-zone/
Thanks for playing!
October 9, 2011 at 3:40 am |
[...] I wrote a long post on this recently, and I’m going to refer you to that for the details. [...]
October 9, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
Well, things now seem to be back to the way they were – at least for my K2 and K3.
I just deregistered/re-registered them both. The ‘Send-to-Kindle E-mail Address’ section has disappeared, and I now have separate email addresses for each Kindle. I can’t give the same address to two Kindles. Screen shot at http://blog.diannegorman.net/
I don’t have a new Kindle, so don’t know if the change only applies to pre Sep 28 Kindles.
I can’t see any changes to the Archive option.
October 9, 2011 at 11:24 pm |
Thanks for writing, Dianne!
I can’t tell in your screenshot. Mine has a section right above what you show on your blog that is like this:
Send-To-Kindle E-mail Address
XXXXXl@Kindle.com Edit
That’s where I can change the address…and it affects both of my Autodeliver devices.
October 9, 2011 at 11:39 pm
Hi Bufo. Now that I have de/re-registered them, all my Kindles have individual email addresses. As mentioned in my blog post, once I no longer had any kindles with Auto Deliver set up, the ‘Send-to-Kindle E-mail Address’ section disappeared.
There’s an interesting thread at http://www.amazon.com/forum/kindle/ref=cm_cd_ttp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1D7SY3BVSESG&cdThread=Tx1AK9V6VY2N69M where Swithin Readers had de/re-registered a K4. It now has its own email address. S/he’s continuing testing.
October 10, 2011 at 1:46 am
The personal documents settings page appears to have changed again since I last looked at it a few days ago.
Now the sections are:
Send to kindle email address — this section contains a “send to kindle” email address which can be edited, and a list of devices with checkmarks by each as to whether auto-deliver is enabled for that device appears in a pop-up dialog.
E-mail Settings — this section contains one line for each device, and an edit button which seems to display the same dialog as the previous section — but presumably the ability to change things for a single device — I can’t really tell as I only have one device at the moment (the manage your devices page does display my as yet undelivered KT and KF as well as my KDX).
The other sections are personal documents archiving (up to 5GB). I wonder if I can buy more personal document storage?
Whispernet Delivery Options, Approved Personal Document E-mail List, and Personal Document Service Charges.
The first two sections on the Personal Documents Settings page seem a bit redundant and confusing to me. What happens if auto-delivered is disabled? How do documents get delivered to non-auto-delivered devices? Can auto-delivered be specified for some but not other devices?
Is it safe to say that auto-deliver can only send to one email address per account?
October 10, 2011 at 3:16 am
Thanks for writing, Edward!
It sounds like your options are similar to my options. When you say “section”, are those separate links you can click in the navbar?
October 10, 2011 at 3:33 am
If by navbar, you mean page section to left, then no — I refer to each link in the vertical column toi the left as a “page”. So if I go to the “Your Account>Manage Your Kindle” page, along the left hand column, I see a couple of “blocks” of links one of which is labelled: “Your Kindle Account” within which one link is to the “Personal Document Settings” page.
On that “Personal Documents Settings” page are six sections:
Send-To-Kindle E-mail Address
E-Mail Settings
Personal Document Archiving
Whispernet Delivery Options
Approved Personal Document E-mail List
Personal Document Service Charges
Each section on the page contains several lines of info with an “edit” button where appropriate. In my previous post I was describing what I saw only in the first two of the six sections — as these are the only ones that seem to apply to the subject under discussion
October 10, 2011 at 3:53 am
Thanks for writing, Edward!
That sounds like what I am seeing, then.
Have you registered and/or re-registered any devices since September 28?
October 10, 2011 at 2:25 am
Thanks for writing, Dianne!
I should have a Mindle soon, and then I’ll do some more testing myself. It may matter whether or not you’ve freshly registered a Kindle since September 28. I’ve read the thread you’ve had with Tree. Clearly, different people are seeing different things, but I don’t feel like we’ve isolated all the variables yet.
October 10, 2011 at 4:06 am
Bufo, no I haven’t — I wouldn’t want to I’d be afraid that my collections would get screwed up again. As I only have one active device in my account at the present time, I can’t really determine how personal documents are going to be handled when I have multiple devices on the account.
I am starting to use the personal document delivery service more and more with things like “Send to Kindle” — so I have some interest in how this is going to work going forward. Since I’m just a single person on the account, an inability to address devices separately wouldn’t be that big a deal for me — although still, I would appreciate more control over which of my 3 devices will get which documents.
Finally, for the long term, the 5GB limit on personal document storage seems a bit parsimonious to me.
October 10, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Thanks for writing, Edward!
That makes sense…I tested it with a Kindle we aren’t actively using.
I find that 5GBs pretty generous, personally. That’s more storage than any of the Kindles (except the Fire) has. I don’t use my Kindle as a storage device, but many people do.
Amazon says for the Kindle Touch:
“Holds 3,000 Books
Carry up to 3,000 books – keep your entire library with you wherever you go.”
They think your whole library could be 3,000 books…hee, hee, isn’t that cute?
So, they are giving you storage by their calculations for about 5,000 books…for free. Those are non-Kindle store books…that feels pretty generous. I don’t think the intent here is for the store to open up their back room and let you store every purchase you’ve ever made somewhere else. I think the intent is more to have a place for you to keep the things you are actively using, and want available to different devices.
Also, this is 5GB in addition to the 5GB Cloud Drive they have already given us. You can store documents there, too….you just can’t move them as easily to your devices or sync them. If you want to move a document from your general storage to your document storage, you could pull it from the Cloud Drive and send it to your Kindle Send All address.
October 10, 2011 at 1:47 pm
I was hoping to be able to use Amazon as the single backup/management point for all my kindle content. As you point out for books this is not a problem. It’s the other content — in particular movies and TV shows. Amazon themselves have stated that an 8GB KFire can hold about 10 movies.
Others (those agitating/bemoaning the lack of SD storage on the KF) have mentioned that to get 10 HD movies into 8GB, they would have to be so heavily compressed that HD quality would suffer. I have no way to check their assertions (but they seem overblown to me).
However, if I wanted long term to have Amazon manage my video and music libraries going forward, 5GB just isn’t going to be enough. I’d be willing to pay for extra storage, but I’d want the interface with my devices to be seamless. The additional 5GB cloud drive storage you mention is separate from the kindle ecosystem, and so using that for backup would not be as seamless as the personal document storage.
Maybe I’ll have to resign myself to continue depending on Calibre for management services (but wait they probably don’t even handle music and video) oh, woe is me :lol.
October 13, 2011 at 11:19 pm |
[...] Well, this may clear up the weird things that have been happening with the personal document service (see this earlier post). [...]
October 15, 2011 at 11:34 pm |
[...] I’ve written recently about major changes to the way the Kindle service deals with personal documents. [...]
October 20, 2011 at 5:50 am |
Today a friend gave me a K3-3G, fresh from Amazon, never used, but registered to his account. I deregestered it, and registered it to my Amazon account. Indeed the send-to address defaulted to the older k3-wifi, BUT in Manage Your Kindle, I could change this to a unique address. I think the problem is solved.