Flash! Deregistering removes local copies?

Flash! Deregistering removes local copies?

I’ve written before about what I call the register/deregister dance. 

What happens in r/dd is that someone will register to an account, download books from those archive, deregister from the account, and still have the books on the device.

Many people have reported doing this, and it seems to have worked in the past. 

I’ve asked Amazon different times in different ways (including snail mailing their legal department) if this was okay.  

It clearly isn’t okay (under the Terms of Service) to sell or give a Kindle to someone not on your account with Kindle content on it, but that’s not what’s happening in this case.  When the person downloads from the archives, they are on that account.  The ownership of the Kindle doesn’t change.

However, someone in the Amazon Kindle community just reported getting this message:

“Are you sure you want to deregister this device? Deregistering will remove all of your licensed content from this device. If you plan to re-register this device in the future you will need to re-download your licensed contents from the archived items.”

That was on a Kindle for Mac installation.

I’ve asked Amazon if this is true just for reader apps, or for Kindles as well.

If it’s true for Kindles, it’s definitely a change, and a significant one.  I also hadn’t heard of that happening on Kindle apps before, but I suppose it might have been.

I checked to see if the Help Page from Amazon was updated…it still seems to indicate that you would have to remove the books manually:

“Also, once the Kindle is deregistered, any books, subscriptions, or other content you’ve purchased from the Kindle Store will no longer be delivered to the device.

Remove all purchased material from the Kindle device. Purchased Kindle content cannot be sold according to the License Agreement and Terms of Use of the Amazon Kindle”
Amazon Help Page

That first part is saying that you can’t get books from your archives, and we knew that.

This would complicate things for parents who have been putting books on to a minor’s Kindle, and then deregistering it so that child can’t buy more books from the Kindle store, and, on a Kindle without wifi, get on the internet.

I’ll let you know if I hear more.

If you’ve been doing the r/dd, let me know if it’s changed for you.

This might, I suppose, be connected to us getting the ability to lend books to people not on the account…publishers might (purely hypothetically) have tightened up on this to allow the new lending feature, which we are supposed to have before the end of the year.

UPDATE:  One of the helpful members of Kindle Customer Service, Sean C., responded to my question:

“Kindle content previously downloaded to a device remains on the device even after it has been deregistered. For Kindle reading apps, content can only be read while the app is registered to the account where the content was purchased.”

So, the r/dd doesn’t work for Kindle apps…

This post by Bufo Calvin originally appeared in the I Love My Kindle blog

10 Responses to “Flash! Deregistering removes local copies?”

  1. Richard Askenase Says:

    I believe that I have seen this with Kindle for PC app, and, also, many books downloaded to the PC wouldn’t open. But I am NOt aware of it for Kindle itself.

    Note that i do not readon kindle books on my PC.
    I would be VERY disappointed if this happened, but I doubt that AMazon has changed its policy.
    Rick Askenase

    • bufocalvin Says:

      Thanks for writing, Richard!

      Amazon wouldn’t be changing a policy, I’d say, because I could never get them to state a policy. 🙂 I’m not sure why it would be different on a Kindle for PC/Kindle for Mac than it would be on a Kindle…the files would be held locally in either case.

      I’ll be interested to hear more on this.

  2. Kathy Says:

    Hi Bufo: I just deregistered a kindle dx to give and it did not give me this notice. I do plan to let the person know that likely all purchased material will disappear when they register it themselves…. Kathy

    • bufocalvin Says:

      Thanks for writing, Kathy!

      I got it clarified: only the Kindle apps lose the content when deregistered. However, it is against the Terms of Service with Amazon to give the Kindle to someone not on your account with Kindle store items on it…you should delete them first.

  3. elaine Says:

    i tried it with two of my kindles themselves and it didnt erase any books

    • bufocalvin Says:

      Thanks for writing, elaine!

      Kindle Customer Service confirmed for me that they only disappear from Kindle apps, not from Kindles.

      Thanks for letting me know!

  4. Dave Says:

    Hey Bufo – you popped up on the Movers & Shakers list today, congrats!

    13. Ranking has gone up in the past 24 hours 43%
    Sales Rank in Kindle Store: 291 (was 418 yesterday)

    • bufocalvin Says:

      Thanks for writing, Dave!

      Thanks! Hey, that’s great! I’m up to #11 right now!

      That’s for the blog…cool to see.

  5. malcolm Says:

    what do I do with my two old kindles , i’m useing a new model

    • Bufo Calvin Says:

      Thanks for writing, Malcolm!

      You have several choices.

      One good one could be to give them to someone else you know. You can even keep them on the same account, which really increases your buying power. If any of you buy a book, it becomes available to all three of you. If you use Kindle Unlimited, all three of you can read the books…you can have up to ten books out a time.

      Another choice is to donate it…try your local library, or a children’s shelter. There are charitable organizations that will take them. You can write off their current value (not what you paid for them) in some cases: you might want to check with your tax preparer.

      You could sell them, but they may not be worth much (depends on what model and condition).

      There is an

      Amazon Trade-in Program

      It’s run by Amazon, but it isn’t Amazon that actually buys it. You’d probably get more selling it yourself, but this is easy.

      If they are non-functional, they can be recycled through Amazon:

      Amazon: Recycling Our Products

      Finally, you might to keep at least one. We have a designated “Guest Kindle”, which guests in our home really appreciate.

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