Groups, Scenes, and Routines now available in Alexa

Groups, Scenes, and Routines now available in Alexa

I love that Amazon keeps giving us new features for free…but I still think they could explain them better. It may be that they are going to do a video for this one (they’ve been doing videos a lot lately), and that I’m just ahead of the curve on exploring it (a reader sent me a private e-mail alerting me to their arrival).

When I typed “Routines” into Amazon Help, it took me to the right place, the Alexa page…but then there was nothing there about it. 🙂

I’ve been playing with it for an hour or so, and I do really like what I’ve gotten it to do…I can turn on lights in a given room just by saying, “Alexa, lights on”, and it only affects that room. I don’t have to remember the names of the lights.

Let’s take a look at it:

First, I was doing this in the Alexa app on my phone (a Galaxy S7 Edge, but that shouldn’t really matter with the Alexa app).

There are two places in the menu (accessible from the Home screen, probably in your top left…three horizontal lines, what some people call a “hamburger”) involved with this. One says “Routines” and the other one says “Smart Home”. Even though Routines comes first in the menu, I’m going to Smart Home first, which I think makes the most sense. That might be different if you already have things set up in another Smart Hub.

There are three sections in Smart Home: Devices, Groups, and Scenes.


I should mention first that we currently control lights in our home with a Wink hub and we have a Harmony hub and remote (but that’s for the TV and those devices). One of the main reasons I use Alexa devices is to control those Smart Devices. I also have a Samsung Smart Hub, but I’ve never configured it.

My Smart Lights did show up on the Devices tab, and there was an option to add a device. There is a Help button (a question mark in a circle) in my top right corner, which is contextual. It gives me help for the tab I’m on now.

Tapping that, it let me connect Smart Home device via skills (I’m already using the Wink skill). You could also connect those devices (at least, Zigbee compatible ones) directly to an

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I have one on pre-order…estimated to arrive November 3rd to November 7th. Interestingly, sending it to an Amazon Locker seemed to mean it might be later than if I had sent it to our home (which isn’t safe to do). On the other hand, I just needed to order a cable, and it will arrive at the locker faster since it will be delivered on a Sunday.

I’m looking forward to testing out the Echo Plus in the next week or ten days.

Since Alexa already knows all of our Smart Devices, let’s look at


Here’s the idea of a group: you take one or more devices (usually more than one) and create one name which refers to all of them…sort of like a distribution list for e-mail. If you have five lights in the Family Room, you can create a Family Room group, and then assign those five lights to it.

You then associate one of your Alexa devices with that group. For example, our

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is in the family room, so I associated the Family Room group with that it.

Note: you can’t have a single device and a Group with the exact same name…I had a light named Family Room, so I couldn’t use the same name for both.

I should also mention that I had previously created groups in the older version of the Alexa app, and those appeared here.

If you tap “Add Group”, you’ll get a choice between “Smart Home Group” and “Amazon Multi-Room Music Group”. The latter is so that you could have the same music (or podcast, or…) playing on several Alexa devices at the same time.

When you tap the “Smart Home Group”, you are given the choice of creating a custom name, or picking some “Common Names” (Backyard, Basement, Bathroom, Den, Dining Room, Downstairs, Hallway, Kitchen, Lounge, Office, or Upstairs). I wonder if the Common Names are actually common, being drawn (perhaps dynamically) from choices Amazon users are entering in Custom Name.

Once you do that, you are then asked to select an Alexa device to associate with that group. Note that you can only associate an Alexa device with a single Group.

Next, you can choose devices to put into that Group and Scenes…I think my Scenes came from my Harmony, but there were some that definitely didn’t (like “IAmBack”).

Once you’ve done that, you save.

Now you can just say, “Alexa, lights on”, and that device will only turn the lights on in its group.

Note that you don’t need to set up an Alexa Device to control the lights (or other devices) physically closest to it.

I do see this as a big improvement. While I like remembering lots of names, my Significant Other doesn’t. It’s easier to just be able to say, “Alexa, lights off”, than “Alexa, turn off the Family Room”.

The Scenes are less clear to me, but in speaking with a relative who uses them in other contexts, the key difference seems to be that a scene can have diverse states: with a Group, you can only turn all of the lights on or off. With a Scene, you could have it turn two lights on and two lights off. I can see the value of that. I haven’t tested it yet, though.

What about Routines (remember, that’s a separate Menu entry)?

This adds a couple of dimensions. One is that you can have it happen either on command or at a certain time.

The other is that it can do some Alexa actions.

The first option shown is

“When this happens”

That is commonly called a “trigger”…it’s what makes an action happen. You can either give it a custom statement you say verbally, or you can pick a time and a recurrence pattern (when it repeats). Your recurrence pattern defaults to Every Day, but you can change it to “Weekdays”, “Weekends”, or select a single specific day.

You could use this for an alarm for work. “At 6:00 AM, turn on my bedroom and family room lights, start the coffee, and give me my Flash Briefing”. You would set that as happening on weekdays (if you work Monday-Friday).

When you choose “Add Action”, your choices are:

  • News (your Flash Briefing)
  • Smart Home (either “Control device or “Turn on scene”)
  • Traffic (Alexa will give you the traffic report)
  • Weather (Alexa will report the weather)

Once you’ve added one, you can tap “Add Action” again to add another.

I can really see the value to this one, too…as one example, we could set the lights and such to come on at a certain time every day when we were on vacation…and set another Routine to turn them off. That would make it seem like we were home.

I will say, I think this is a lot of work for the average person. A hobbyist would do it, but it seems like a lot of steps.

Here are my suggestions for two other ways they could do this which would be easier:

“Match Now”: you would set up your devices the way you want (lights on or off, etc.) then tell Alexa to remember that as a scene.

“Copy Me”: Alexa starts a recorder, then you do actions which it subsequently remembers…like a macro recorder.

All in all, this is a great improvement…but I think most people won’t use it because it will be too hard without them seeing the potential advantages. Amazon should set up some more scenarios, maybe through video.

A few more thoughts:

  • having durations would be a nice improvement for the future…not just turning a light on at 6:00 AM, but turning it on at 6:00 AM for one hour
  • Alexa could suggest saving patterns it detects. If you normally turn on the bedroom light at 6:00 AM, and then turn on the Family Room TV and the Family Room Light twenty minutes later for an hour, and then turn everything off and lock the door, Alexa could suggest saving that as a Routine after you’ve done it a few times in a row
  • The Echo Show (and Echo Spot) could do this gesturally…you flip your index finger up and it turns the light on in that room. That could be great fun, especially if you could use custom gestures! Yeah, yeah, I know…not that finger. 😉 I’m thinking more like “magic hand waves” to do things in your house

Hope that helps! I’ll be interested in hearing what you think! Feel free to let me and my readers know by commenting on this post.

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3 Responses to “Groups, Scenes, and Routines now available in Alexa”

  1. Edward Boyhan Says:

    I’ve been using multi-room groups, and they work well. They appear in the Alexa app as another selectable Echo device. You can get to multi-room groups in the Alexa app either from the Smarthome menu item, or under Settings.

    The Home Automation stuff will work with a variety of home automation skills. The Alexa app on smartphones and fire tablets is somewhat different than the web app available on PCs. In particular, none of the calling and messaging stuff is available nor are routines — although Smart Home is.

    Many skills for protocols like Zigbee, Z-wave, Insteon, etc. are available — as are skills that interface with some home automation programs that use those protocols.

    When you look for something in the app for a skill like Insteon, you get different results than if you search for Insteon skills from inside the devices page — not sure if that reflects substantive differences, or flakiness in the Alexa app. I have found the Alexa web app performance to be spotty.

    I’ll give you my take on devices, groups, and scenes from my experience with this stuff over 25 years. At some low level, devices are things that have some kind of address — they could be a lightbulb, a switch in a wall (or a portable one), a thermostat, a garage door opener, a smart lock, etc. Groups are just collections of devices that can be referenced as a unit. Scenes typically apply to groups (mostly lights). A scene can contain one or more groups. The scene applies attributes: things like brightness levels from 0-100%, and a ramp-up speed.

    So you might want a group of lights to come to 50% brightness and take 10 seconds to get there.

    A scene might also just be a bunch of devices each with different brightness levels and ramp speeds that are turned on with a single command — so in a home theater room you might have a scene called “start show” that dims the room lights to 10%, and brings the floor breadcrumb.lights up to 30%; take 15 seconds to do this, and then turn on the TV and Blue Ray player.

    These attributes are usually incorporated into device hardware such as light bulbs, switches, or plug-in wall worts. What you can do will depend on H/W device design, the protocol used, the H/W controller, and any S/W programs controlling things.

  2. Randall Weers Says:

    What I like most about Alexa is the Routines… a series of actions that are executed when triggered by a phrase, e.g. Alexa good night. Ideally, all the things you normally do when you’re on your way to bed are handled for you.

    I had one last task I wanted Alexa to handle… turn down the thermostat. I almost had it. But I discovered that “compatible” means you can execute some commands via Echo. But when I tried to add the action to control the device “Thermostat” to my Routine I got “device is not currently supported”. Perhaps it will be as Amazon continues to add features. In the meantime, I’ve invested in a thermostat, a c-wire to provide power to it and a Wink Hub 2. Kind of an expensive non-solution. Bummer.

    One of the reasons I went with the Wink Hub 2 was I thought I’d be able to figure out how to control things with ITFFF making it extensible for the future. Maybe I will be able to put in a solution that gets me past Echo’s current limitation with Routines. For now, I just have to remember to also tell Alexa to set the thermostat to xx. One thing I’ve found with the Wink solution is that if I set a temp through Alexa, it doesn’t automatically revert back to the schedule, nor can I use a command to do that.

    For now, I am enjoying the solution(s): Alexa, Harmony Hub, Hue lights, etekcity plugs. Things get turned on/off without having to remember them. Routines definitely improved the experience.

    I haven’t bothered much with Groups. Partly because Hue facilitates a group by having Rooms and partly because Routines have so much more flexibility and power. But Groups are quicker if you’re controlling devices that work well with on or off commands (e.g. lights and entertainment center) or that have similar settings (dimmable lights).

    Actions I’d like added to Routines:
    > Allow me to type what “Alex says”.
    > Execute one of the Skills I’ve installed.
    > Pause control. E.g. some hubs can’t take rapid fire commands. E.g. Going to bed I’d like to see that things have been turned off, turn down the covers and kick off my slippers before the last light in the bedroom goes out. Obviously I could leave that last light off the routine and turn it off with another command, but where’s the fun in that. E.g. make lights flash on then off a few times.

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